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Post by unimatrix999 on Jul 13, 2013 5:15:31 GMT -5
hello fellow captain ,
It has come to my attention that there are plans to expand the EliteSTF channel to allow other PVE events to be hosted there aswell as fleet endorsed events ( this stf is powered by fleet whatsinaname ).
First of all let me say i have major concerns about these changes to our beloved channel. First there was the rule change to allow normal STF, although i understand the reasoning behind it to get all the achievements for the costumes etc.. i believe it goes against the basic concept of ELITEstf channel. It was and still is a channel you must be invited to and therefore garantee a certain level of competence with its players. If you will open up EliteSTF for other pve events the people will lose interest in the less popular STF's such as HSE , IGE , KAGE , CGE , HGE because they can do other PVE events.
For those people who rely on ELITEstf to do stf's when their fleet is either asleep or currently not dooing STF can feel this as a huge setback. Not only have i noticed a decrease in elitestf quality and activity i fear for the future of our beloved channel.
To the channel owner i kindly ask not to proceed and turn EliteSTF in an all-round channel but keep the focus only on elite STF's.
with regards,
Unimatrix A long time EliteSTF member.
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Post by unimatrix999 on Jul 13, 2013 5:30:44 GMT -5
PS : id like to mention any fleet recruitement in elitestf should stay banned , in any way or form
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Post by torsten1009 on Jul 13, 2013 6:10:23 GMT -5
Well, I've got to agree with you.
Fleetrecruitment shouldn't be performed on EliteSTF and for other PvE content there are other channels. Maybe other Operators/Admins might think different, but I think other PvE-content is not interesting enough to attract a large playerbase. There are allready the sisterchannels FleetEvent and EliteEvent (both currently public), but nobody joins them... I don't think people are just to lazy to join them. And I don't think EliteSTF will be more attractive, when it gets spammed with other PvE content during peak-hours.
The changes to the rules allowed the members a lot more: - They may use their fleetname as codeword again, this is enough Fleetrecruitment allowed, there are still entries on our blacklist for people using their fleetname as codeword. - They may recruit on other channels at the same time, this allready lead people to ask me "Why don't you announce your game on publicelitestf, too". If I wanted to play with people who have got no idea what to do, I'd use the public queues. Other people requested changes to the rules of EliteSTF month ago: "If somebody performs outside-invites, he/she is responsible for those people." This means, you get idiots from other channels in, people you don't know, and you might get kicked from EliteSTF yourself. Not every other channel is bad, I think DPS 5000 and 11000 do a great job, and I'd welcome every member of those channels in a team. But generally we are allowing banned people to get into our teams using proxies.
You might have misunderstood the "contests". The idea is to give fleets the chance to recruit in exchange for prices, that people who participate can win. Again: Fleetrecruitment is a bad idea... But the Operators/Admins of EliteSTF don't know how such contests could work themselves at the moment... There are currently 2 ideas: Speedruns (the fastest team wins) - this would lead to teams formed on DPS 5000 and 11000, that simply sign up again on EliteSTF (this wouldn't be fair), or a shuffle...
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Post by UFP-74656 on Jul 13, 2013 7:03:54 GMT -5
The "contests" you speak of have not been approved.
The changes to the rules have allowed or restricted nothing. Fleet advertising is still prohibited. The changes to the rules were for written changes only...those are the "absolute" rules, anything else that is not stated on the rules page is handled in the channel by a moderator on a case by case basis, meaning if there is a rule that is not written down on the rule page..but it may still be something we warn people about every now and then if it gets to be too much.
To address unimatrix's issue: The entire reason Crystalline Catastrophe has been allowed in the channel is to TEST if the channel will benefit or not benefit from additional PvE events being allowed. I understand your concerns, but the majority of the feedback I have gotten has actually been positive. I for one would rather the channel be too active then too inactive.
Also Normal STFs have been allowed for accolades for almost 2 years now....that is not new.
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Post by GH'OST on Jul 13, 2013 8:29:09 GMT -5
greetings
as long time member in ESTF i want to ask, why it should not be allowed to call for other events? Since Crytic has putted up some more mission, i think a call for NWS or CE should be allowed. So as for other fleetevents, see sometimes ESTF is getting pretty quite, even when more than 200 members are online. In my opinion there is not much difference between a STF run and a Event run... except that the channel is named ESTF.... but that shouldn' t prevent the Admins to allow other calls...
I also think most of the STF ers are going to grind fleetmarks, once the rep system is fisnished and all accolades are done. And of course they are not allowed to send the call in ESTF atm. So no wonder ESTF is very silent sometimes.
But well... thats my opinion and the decision is up to the channeladmins. I only can repeat that i vote to get all event mission allowed to be called out in ESTF.
so long
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Post by unimatrix999 on Jul 13, 2013 8:39:50 GMT -5
then merge EliteSTF and EliteEvent , there is no use then for seperate channels. Sadly this is the case then.But the gear for STF is usualy diffirent then other PVE events , so loss of quality is ensured then.
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Post by UFP-74656 on Jul 13, 2013 18:19:18 GMT -5
Like I said, there is no definite move yet. This is a test. If the channel improves from allowing CC then great, then we will think about moving forward. If it does not then nothing will change. No merging or major changes will happen until that point. As far as loss of quality is concerned that is something that is also not new. Myself and the admins are going to be in discussion as to how to handle this problem, there may be a channel registration requirement in the future. Also GH'OST there is a pretty big difference between STFs and other Events. True that have been made "easier" but STFs require a lot more teamwork in some cases instead of just going in and pewpewpew you have to think first. The majority of the people in EliteSTF know this, but try using a public channel or PUGing then you will know what I mean .
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